10/12 Times Leader article

Photo c/o of The Times Leader, no photographer credit was affixed to the picture in the original article
Photo c/o of The Times Leader, no photographer credit was affixed to the picture in the original article

I was interviewed for an October 12 The Times Leader article which reports on the Public Square Rosary Crusade I protested and interviews me and Bill Dickerson of the NEPA Freethought Society concerning our protest.

For more background on the Public Square Rosary Crusade and my protest of it please read my thoughts on the event, my press release announcing a protest, another newspaper article in which I appeared, and afterthoughts reported on Brave Hero Radio. The protest was offered due to the event’s flyer promoting governmental prayer and opposing secularism.

The Times Leader article, partially reproduced for purposes of archive, is available below. Click the article’s title for the full, original article. Feel free to comment here and on the article itself, especially in response to other commenters.

W-B rosary rally met with passive protest

October 12. 2013 11:18PM
JON O’CONNELL joconnell@timesleader.com

WILKES-BARRE — Worshippers took turns reciting portions of the rosary Saturday in Our Lady of Fatima Grotto in quiet reverance.

Behind them, two protesters stood for the length of the service, which was part of a national Catholic event called Public Square Rosary Rally. The protesters stood equally as quiet but holding a sign that read “Nothing Fails Like Prayer.”

The two men, Justin Vacula and Bill Dickerson, said they attended not to cause anger, but to tell the worshippers prayer has never effectively solved anything and they should not depend so heavily on it. They had been joined by a third person but he left shortly after the service began.

Some commenters, at the time of this posting, considered the protest to be disrespecting people and urged that atheists should respect the beliefs of people. I am not sure what it means to respect one’s beliefs. Beliefs are not entities which can be respected or disrespected. Saying that prayer fails is not disrespectful of persons, but rather is sharing my perspective concerning the efficacy of [intercessory] prayer. Prayer has simply not been demonstrated to be effective and thus will not fix the problems which ails the United States. Government leaders will not, contrary to what the America Needs Fatima organization thinks, benefit from prayer.

If I were to protest with a sign saying “Catholics are stupid” or something similar, a case can be made for disrespect, but merely pointing out that nothing fails like prayer is not disrespectful of persons; nothing fails like prayer is a response to a particular claim, a belief which is not vindicated by evidence. I did not disrupt the rally, say anything nasty about or to any of the protesters, and even protested on the opposite side of the street. Mere disagreement is not disrespect.

Sometimes messages from atheists can be viewed as ‘hard-hitting’ because we are challenging cherished beliefs. When challenging cherished religious beliefs, people may consider a simple message like nothing fails like prayer to be offensive, but instead of claiming offense and considering atheists disrespectful, they should examine belief in the efficacy of prayer and wonder why we are saying what we are saying. Where is the evidence that intercessory prayer has an effect? Is there good reason to believe that government leaders praying to God will receive some special wisdom or invoke a deific intervention?

The “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” banner spawned in response to the Circle the Square with Prayer event which commemorated the National Day of Prayer – an egregious violation of church/state separation with blatantly Christian roots which the United States government endorses and has defended. The banner returned in protest of the Public Square Rosary Crusade because of the overlap between religion and government which was suggested in the event’s flyer. I can’t “live and let live” as some religious people (and even atheists) tell me as long as the wall of separation of church and state continues to be eroded (and people claim that my opposition to religious belief is disrespectful of persons).

Public Square Rosary Crusade protest afterthoughts

Protesting outside "Public Square Rosary Crusade" event holding FFRF "Nothing Fails Like Prayer" banner
Protesting outside “Public Square Rosary Crusade” event holding FFRF “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” banner

My protest of today’s Public Square Rosary Crusade went well (see a press release announcing the protest, an interview I had with a newspaper reporter, and more thoughts I offered on the event prior to the protest). A full report will be contained within tonight’s October 12 episode of Brave Hero Radio.

Alongside fellow secularists and atheists from the NEPA Freethought Society, I held the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” banner outside the event; posed for a picture and answered questions for an interview to be included in an upcoming newspaper article; and conversed with a woman who engaged me in conversation (I also invited her to call the show tonight). Sadly, attendees largely refused to converse with us – much unlike those who attended the Circle the Square with Prayer event I protested in May 2013.

Passerby were mostly indifferent save one person who flipped the bird, one person who shook his head in disgust, and a person who gave a ‘thumbs up.’

The Public Square Rosary Crusade was similar to a standard Catholic mass; the event included many prayers asking for God to intercede in human affairs, the song “God Bless America,” a sermon urging people to maintain faith in God in spite of  ‘tempests in our lives,’ and appeals for non-believers to turn to God so that they can know him and go to Heaven.

Banners reading “As human efforts fail to solve America’s key problems, we turn to God, though His Holy Mother, asking His urgent help” surrounded the grotto.

Photos from the protest are to come.

Tune in tonight for a full report and to call the show. If you miss the live broadcast, follow the same link for an archived version. See the episode description below.

Justin Vacula — joined by Karla Porter — will discuss his experience protesting the “Public Square Rosary Crusade” in Wilkes-Barre, PA hours following the event. See Vacula’s press release announcing the protest for more information. Fellow protesters are also welcome to join the discussion.

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10/11 Citizens’ Voice interview

FFRF "Nothing Fails Like Prayer" banner on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre
FFRF “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” banner on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre

I recently spoke with a reporter for The Citizens’ Voice concerning my upcoming protest of the “Public Square Rosary Crusade” in which I and other local secularists will advocate for separation of church and state and rebut religious claims such as the efficacy of prayer.

Feel free to comment on the article or share your thoughts here.

Following is the interview – reproduced here for purposes of archiving:

Group to stage protest for religion, government separation

A protest group wants a clearer separation between religion and Wilkes-Barre city government.

On Saturday, members of the group are hitting the streets with a banner reading, “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” to get their message across.

“We think our leaders should fix this world we’re living in instead of yearning for another one,” the co-organizer of the protest, Justin Vacula, said.

Vacula and members of the NEPA Freethought Society, a local group of atheists, agnostics and secularists, will stage a peaceful protest at noon Saturday on North Street, near the Our Lady of Fatima grotto.

Vacula said the protest is intended to spark conversation and fight the overlap between religion and government. The organization is not looking to stir up tension, he said.

In a press release announcing the event, Vacula focused on members of the Wilkes-Barre city council who begin meetings with prayer, which he says is “inappropriate and potentially illegal.”

“We don’t think prayer will answer real-world (problems),” Vacula said. Government-led prayer, he said, has not resolved poverty, unemployment and other issues in Wilkes-Barre.

About 10 protesters are expected to join Vacula. He encourages the public to join in.

“Every person has inherent dignity and should be treated with respect, whether or not they share our beliefs,” Diocese of Scranton spokesperson Bill Genello said in an email Thursday. “We also believe that the Church has the right and the duty to offer its voice to the discussion of public policy issues to ensure that the welfare of all is protected.”

Genello also said that any discourse Saturday should be “conducted in a respectful manner.”

This will not be the first time the NEPA Freethought Society has brought out the “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” banner, as earlier this year, it was displayed on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre.

“I think this will be the perfect place for that banner,” Vacula said.

mbufano@citizensvoice.com

570-821-2056, @CVBufano

Planned protest of “Public Square Rosary Crusade”

flyer advertising "Public Square Rosary Crusade"
flyer advertising “Public Square Rosary Crusade”

A group of Catholics in Northeastern Pennsylvania upset with “the secularist advance” is planning and advertising a rally which will take place at the Our Lady of Fatima grotto in Wilkes-Barre on October 12, 2013 at noon. In response to this rally, I am calling on local secularists to join me in protest of this “Public Square Rosary Crusade” in an attempt to educate attendees and passersby about secularism, atheism, and the separation of church and state.

A flyer I found advertising this upcoming rally contains the following text explaining the purpose of this ‘crusade’ and providing its location:

“Announcing the 2013 Public Square Rosary Crusade

America is at a historic crossroad. Secularists are trying to push God from the public square. They reject His beneficial action upon society. But without God, where will our leaders get the wisdom to solve the great problems we face?

We must stop the secularist advance and pray to God for help. He will hear us if we pray through the intercession of the Blessed Mother. That’s why we’re launching the 2013 Public Square Rosary Crusade.

[…]

Join the 2013 Public Square Rosary Crusade today!

What: The Holy Rosary

Where: Our Lady of Fatima Grotto
North Street, Wilkes-Barre, Penna.
Parking – Courthouse Parking Lot (Lower Level)
When: October 12, 2013
12:00 noon”

Alongside a group of secularists from the NEPA Freethought Society, I will stand on the sidewalk outside the Our Lady of Fatima Grotto holding the large “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) banner which adorned Public Square in early 2013 with hopes of peacefully and civilly interacting with demonstrating Catholics and passerby sending the message that belief in God and/or prayer will not aid politicians nor resolve any problems we may face.

FFRF "Nothing Fails Like Prayer" banner on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre
FFRF “Nothing Fails Like Prayer” banner on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre

The continued incursion of religion in governmental matters is unacceptable and needs to stop. We don’t need more religion in government; we need religion out of government. As the FFRF says, “God fixation won’t fix this nation.”

Join me in protest outside Wilkes-Barre’s Our Lady of Fatima Grotto at 11:30 AM on Saturday, October 12 in preparation for the ‘crusade.’ Prepare to interact with crusading Catholics and passerby in an excellent peaceful and civil educational opportunity.

RSVP today on the NEPA Freethought Society’s webpage and support your local secularists.

Appearance on Post Rapture Looting podcast

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postrapturelooting.net

I was recently interviewed for episode 60 of the Post Rapture Looting podcast which is now available for streaming and download!

I discussed my recent atheist and church/state activism which includes — but is not limited to — my objection to government-led prayer at Wilkes-Barre City Council meetings, banners (1, 2) I had placed on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre with help of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), and my protest of the “Circle the Square With Prayer” event commemorating the National Day of Prayer. I also discussed effective ways of approaching activism and the importance of varying approaches to activism.

Listen to these topics and more in episode 60 of the Post Rapture Looting podcast!